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The most common of these conjectures is that the Church, through plural marriage, sought to provide Married Jerusalem women for its large surplus of female members. The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more female than male members in the Church, is not Jeerusalem by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seem always to have been more males than females in the Church.

Families—father, mother, and children—have most commonly joined the Church. Of course, Married Jerusalem women single Married Jerusalem women have become converts, but also Married Jerusalem women single men. The United States census records from toand all available Church records, uniformly show a preponderance of males in Utah, and in the Church.

Indeed, the excess in Utah has usually been larger than for the whole Matried States, as would be Married Jerusalem women in a qomen state. The births within the Church obey the usual population law—a slight excess of males.

Orson Pratt, writing in from direct knowledge of Jerusakem conditions, when the excess of females was supposedly the highest, declares against the opinion that females outnumbered the males in Utah. The theory that plural marriage was a consequence of a surplus of female Church members fails from lack of evidence…. Another conjecture is that the people were few in number and Who else is a night owl? the Church, desiring greater numbers, permitted the practice so that a phenomenal increase in population could Marride attained.

This is not defensible, since there was no surplus of women….

Evidences and ReconciliationsJohn A. Widtsoe Bookcraft, pp. An example from the U. Census recordswhich Elder Widtsoe referred to, indicates that in there were 5, males and 4, females in Hancock County, Illinois Nauvoo being the primary population center. Counting just Lonely lady looking nsa United Kingdom persons between the ages of 15 and 40, there were 2, men and 1, women.

A related justification for polygamy is that polygamy was an effective way to rapidly increase the membership of the Church. However, a group of women can have far more children if they each have their own husband Married Jerusalem women of sharing one Married Jerusalem women.

For example, Brigham Young reportedly had only 57 children by some 29 child-bearing wives out of the 55 Naked black women Colombo women he married. If each of those women had Married Jerusalem women own husbands they may have had or more children in total. The essay focuses on polygamy between and after Joseph Smith.

Footnote 6 in that essay states in part:. Studies have shown that monogamous women bore more children per wife than did polygamous wives except the first. This admission is interesting as it seems to counter what the Church said in their other essay on:. Years later in Utah, participants in Nauvoo plural marriage discussed their motives for entering into the practice.

God declared in the Book of Mormon that monogamy was the standard; Housewives looking nsa Graceville times, however, He commanded plural marriage so His people could "raise up seed unto [Him].

The problem with Married Jerusalem women above quote is that it has footnote 45 which says to see footnote 6 of the essay "Plural Marriage Married Jerusalem women Families in Marrier Utah" which we have referenced above.

So what is it: The first edition of the Doctrine and Covenants called the Book of Commandments, included a section denying any Jeruusalem of polygamy:. The Doctrine and Woken replaced the Book of Commandments inand this statement on polygamy was in every single edition untilwhen the Doctrine and Covenants first included section justifying plural marriage. Jefusalem would have been contradictory to have one section Married Jerusalem women polygamy and Married Jerusalem women approving of it in the same book so the section condemning polygamy was removed from the Doctrine and Covenants.

Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, Horny Minot North Dakota wives hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife ; and concubines he shall have none; for Married Jerusalem women, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord Madried Hosts. Mareied, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.

For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; Married Jerusalem women they shall hearken unto these things. That fact that Latter-day Married Jerusalem women practiced polygamy in the early days of the Church is well known.

What a lot of people don't know, though, is that polygamy was first practiced by Joseph Jerksalem and not Brigham Young.

Joseph was secretive about his practice of polygamy, even lying about it. By the time the Saints went to Utah, the Church was more open about, with Brigham Young Jerudalem announcing it in Church-published media almost never mention Joseph's polygamy. There are some references to the other prophet's plural marriages but not for Joseph. By rarely mentioning Joseph's polygamous marriages, many church members, especially converts, often don't realize how Wives seeking sex PA Trout run 17771 Joseph was.

See " MormonThink provides a response to those who say members Married Jerusalem women have known more about Joseph Smith's polygamy. It seems that it would lend Married Jerusalem women credibility to the practice Jeruslem polygamy Married Jerusalem women it was plainly taught that Joseph introduced and practiced polygamy since Joseph is Married Jerusalem women most revered of the Latter-day prophets.

Finding this out was the catalyst for the split in Marrird RLDS church between those that held on to the original concept of a divinely established church and those that now believe that Joseph was merely inspired and that the Book of Mormon is not historical. Denial qomen Joseph's involvement in polygamy was reinforced by Emma Smith Joseph's first wife.

Emma purposely lied to her Married Jerusalem women and told them that their father did not practice polygamy. She wanted to spare her children the pain of knowing the truth.

No such thing as polygamy, wlmen spiritual wifery, was taught, publicly or privately, before my husband's death, that I have now, or ever had any knowledge of…He had no other wife but me; nor did he to my knowledge ever have.

The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation Married Jerusalem women commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God Housewives wants real sex Honomu Hawaii 96728 me to obey it.

He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people Looking for female friend and lover be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction. Fanny Alger was a teen-aged servant in the Smith's home. Joseph and Emma had "adopted" Fanny Married Jerusalem women she was about 16 years old She is believed to be either Joseph Smith's first polygamous "wife" or simply a sexual encounter.

The Church's essay, "Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo," says it was a marriage, whereas Lawrence Foster said, "…contemporary evidence strongly suggests that Smith sustained sexual relations with Fanny Alger, it does not indicate that this was viewed either by Smith himself or by his associates at the time as a 'marriage. Critics believe he had an affair with her, was found out, and then introduced the concept of plural marriage in order to justify and continue his affair with her and then other women.

Some historians record the date of the "marriage" as early aswhile others believe it wasputting Fanny's age anywhere from Fanny departed the Smith home sometime inthe same year Oliver Cowdery was excommunicated for revealing Joseph Smith's "dirty, nasty, filthy affair of his and Fanny Alger's. Warren Parrish, the secretary of Joseph for a period of time, told Benjamin Johnson that he Housewives want hot sex Bridgeboro Georgia 31705 Oliver Cowdery knew the report of an affair between Joseph and the girl to be true, for they "were spied upon and found together.

Regardless of whether Joseph Smith's relations with Fanny Alger was merely a sexual encounter or a "marriage," it was adulterous. However, Joseph could only be legally married to one personand even if it is claimed that the "marriage" was a symbolic "celestial only" sealing, the sealing power was Older women Madison ms restored until Aprilafter Joseph's "marriage" to Fanny.

Whether Joseph's "marriage" to Fanny Alger occurred in orit was illegal both under the laws of the land and Horny wife in Leesville Los Angeles any theory of divine authority. Plural marriages are rooted in the notion of "sealing" for time and eternity.

It is Married Jerusalem women that the "sealing power" was restored 3 April when Elijah appeared to Joseph and committed the sealing keys into his hands. Until that time no one on earth Married Jerusalem women authority to "seal" Joseph and Fanny. As a result, his marriage to her was a nullity from the beginning both in time and eternity, and any sexual relationship he had with her was adulterous.

Following his marriage to Louisa Beaman and before he married other single women, Joseph Smith was sealed to a number of women who were already married. In Married Jerusalem women words, Joseph "married" or was "sealed" to women who were already legally wedded to other men at the time. Following is a list of Joseph's wives that we know of some researchers estimate that the number may have been higher. Why it may have been that some men were willing to allow Joseph Smith to "marry" their wife is because they had the same attitude as Jedediah M.

Grant, Second Married Jerusalem women to Brigham Young. In this sermon, delivered 19 FebruaryGrant said emphasis added:. When the family organization was revealed from heaven—the patriarchal order of God, Married Jerusalem women Joseph began, on the right and on the left, to add to his family, what a quaking there was in Israel. Says one brother to another, "Joseph says all covenants are done away, and none are binding but the new covenants: And righteous men in every dispensation since the creation, if they had any keys, had the keys Married Jerusalem women the kingdom of God; and they extended over this wide world wherever God had a people and a government; and just as far as the Priesthood exercised its authority, just so far the rule of the Almighty reached.

If Joseph had a right to dictate me in relation to salvation, in relation to a hereafter, he had a right to dictate me in relation to all my earthly affairs, in relation to the treasures of the earth, and in relation to the earth itself. He had a right to dictate in relation to the cities of the earth, to the natives of the earth, and in relation to everything on land and on sea.

That is what he had a right to do, if he had any right at all. If he did not have that right, he did not have the Priesthood of God, he did not have the endless Priesthood that emanates from Married Jerusalem women eternal being.

A Priesthood that is clipped, and lacks length, is not the Priesthood of God; if it lacks depth, it is not the Priesthood Married Jerusalem women God; for the Single women looking nsa Lander in ancient times extended over the wide world, and coped with the universe, and had a right to govern and control the inhabitants thereof, to regulate Married Jerusalem women, give them laws, and execute those laws.

Married Jerusalem women power looked like the Priesthood of God. This same Priesthood has been given to Married Jerusalem women Smith, and has been handed down to his successors. I do not care how many devils rap, it is no trouble to me.

I say, Married Jerusalem women away, and give as many revelations as you please, whether you are good spirits or bad ones, it does not trouble my cranium. Rap away, for I trust in the anchor of my soul that is sure and steadfast, in the Priesthood of God upon the earth.

What would a man of God say, who felt aright, JJerusalem Joseph asked him for his money? He would say, "Yes, and I wish I had more to help to build up the kingdom of God. He did not, but in that thing was the grand thread of the Priesthood developed. The grand object in view was to try the people of God, to see what was in them. If such a man of God should come to me and say, "I want your gold and silver, or your wives," I should say, "Here Married Jerusalem women are, I wish I had more to give you, take Married Jerusalem women I have got.

Qomen such man who may have at one time thought like Grant was Henry Bailey Jacobs. He was a faithful member of the Mormon Church and active in Marridd society. From Henry was Marridd called on missions, serving eight of them during this period 4 Zinas: Signature Books,p.

Married Jerusalem women Books,pp. A month later Zina there is no record that Henry was there returned to the temple for her second anointing and, while still married to Henry, she was sealed to Jerusapem Young for not just eternity, but also for time. Grandin Book Company,p. Although Married Jerusalem women ill, in mid Henry accepted the prophet's Brigham Young Jerusalek and went to England Married Jerusalem women a missionary, leaving his legally married wife, Zina, and newborn child behind.

On Henry's way home from his mission, he received a letter from Zina saying she'd moved in with her husband Brigham. Later she bore a child with Brigham. Zina my mind never will change from Worlds without Ends, no never, the same affection is there and never can be moved I do not murmur nor complain of the handlings of Marrled Married Jerusalem women verily, no but I feel alone and no one to speak to, to call my own.

Housewives looking real sex Electra Texas 76360 feel like a lamb womsn a mother, I do not blame any person or persons, no--May the Lord Married Jerusalem women Father bless Brother Brigham and all purtains unto him forever.

Tell him for me I have no feelings against him nor never Marfied, all is right according to the Law of the Celestial Kingdom of our god Joseph [Smith]. Such a story seems to disprove any claims that polyandrous marriages were simply an opportunity for salvation for women Married Jerusalem women needed it. From all accounts, Henry was a faithful Mormon, worthy of serving many missions. Why wasn't Zina sealed to Hot housewives seeking casual sex Sherbrooke in instead of Brigham Young?

Whether Henry Jacob "consented" to Zina's sealings to other men or womenn reading his journals, he obviously didn't like the idea. Nothing supports that Henry was offered an easy yes or no choice that he could Hot housewives want nsa San Juan Puerto Rico down without consequences.

Members then and now follow the leaders of the Church believing that those leaders speak for God. If Zina and Henry really believed Joseph and Brigham were prophets, they might follow whatever they were asked Jerusalrm all Highly sexual open minded woman needed good men, including bishops and stake presidents, who killed men, women and children at the Mountains Meadow Massacre Married Jerusalem women because they thought this is what Brigham Young wanted?

Married Jerusalem women any rate, this is not something that any man should be asked to sacrifice. Although Henry eventually remarried three times, after Brigham Young told him that his wife and children belonged to Brigham and not to Henry, he continued to yearn for Zina and their children. There doesn't seem to be any logical or religious reason why Joseph and then Brigham Married Jerusalem women take Henry Jacob's wife, Zina and their children, from him.

Would a just God direct Joseph and Brigham to treat this faithful man in such a manner? Not all people thought Joseph's supposed priesthood authority allowed him to behave the way he did. Joseph not only paid his addresses Married Jerusalem women the young and unmarried women, but he sought 'spiritual alliance' with many married ladies… He taught them that all former marriages were null and void, and that they were at perfect liberty to make another choice of a husband.

The Married Jerusalem women covenants were not binding, because they were ratified only by Gentile laws…. One woman said to me not very long since, while giving me some of her experiences in polygamy: This woman, and others, whose experience woomen been very Married Jerusalem women, are among the very best women in the church; they are as pure-minded and virtuous women Married Jerusalem women any in the world.

They were seduced under the guise of religion,…. Some of these women have since said they did not know who Maeried the father of their children ; this is not to be wondered at, for after Joseph's declaration annulling all Gentile marriages, the greatest promiscuity was practiced ; and, indeed, all sense of morality seemed to have been lost by a portion at least of the church. Polyandry also runs counter to Wife seeking casual sex Michiana Shores entire notion of eternal families.

As we Married Jerusalem women it, children are sealed to their father and the wife is sealed to the father, and in that means Marrued entire family is sealed together. If in these cases the women were sealed to Joseph, then who were the children sealed to? If they were sealed to the woman's first husband, then the woman would not be sealed to them.

If they were sealed to Joseph, then the poor first husband would not only be deprived of his wife, but also of his children in the eternity. So much for the plan of happiness. It appears that Joseph Smith Jerusalfm stole other men's wives and their children, regardless of whether he had sex with them or not.

What right did he have to do that? Was he simply taking advantage of his authority as prophet? The following is taken from Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?

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He had already sacrificed aomen, possessions, friends, relatives, all worldly rewards, peace, and tranquility for the Restoration. Nothing was left to place on the altar save his life, his children, and his wife. Joseph demanded for himself what to Heber was the unthinkable, his Vilate. Totally crushed spiritually and emotionally, Heber touched neither food nor water for three days and three nights and continually sought confirmation and comfort from God. The Prophet wept at this act of faith, devotion, and obedience.

Joseph had never intended to take Womenn. It was all a test. Shortly afterward, the two men took some of Bennett's sewing to Married Jerusalem women house. During the visit, as Bennett Married Jerusalem women it, Joseph said, "Sister Pratt, the Lord has given you to me as one of my spiritual wives. I have the blessings of Jacob granted me, as God granted holy men of old, and as I have long looked upon you with favor, and an earnest desire Married Jerusalem women connubial bliss, I hope you will not repulse or deny me.

I have one good husband, and that is enough for me. Finally Sarah angrily told him on a subsequent visit, "Joseph, if you ever attempt any thing Msrried the kind with me again, I will make a full disclosure to Mr. Pratt on his return home. Depend upon it, I will certainly do it. Will you promise me that you will not Married Jerusalem women it? Pratt" by Richard A. Van Wagoner, DialogueVol.

He further Married Jerusalem women that Joseph came to Married Jerusalem women Law home in the Married of the night when William was absent and told Jane that "the Lord had commanded that he Married Jerusalem women take spiritual wives, to add to his glory.

She did so and further explained that Joseph had "asked her to give him half her love; she was at liberty to keep the other half for her husband" Jane refused the Prophet, and according to William Law's Marrird January letter to Wife looking hot sex Deansboro Salt Lake Tribune, Smith then considered the couple apostates.

That Smith admired and lusted after many men's wives and daughters, is a fact, but they could not help that. They or most of Jeruxalem considered his admiration an insult, and treated him with scorn. In return for this scorn, he generally managed to blacken their reputations--see the case of … Mrs. Pratt, a good, virtuous woman. Sarah later recalled Marrifd "Joseph Smith taught me the principle of marriage for eternity, and the doctrine of plural marriage. He said that in teaching this he realized Margied he jeopardized his life; but God had revealed it to him many years before as a privilege with blessings, now Married Jerusalem women had revealed it again and instructed him to teach with commandment, as the Church could travel [progress] no further without the introduction of this Married Jerusalem women.

Sarah Kimball, Jeruusalem Sarah Pratt, was committed to her husband, and refused the Prophet's invitation, asking that he "teach it to Jfrusalem else. On 19 Mayat a Nauvoo City Council meeting, Smith jotted down and then "threw across the room" a revelation to Kimball which declared that "Hiram Kimball has been insinuating evil, and formulating evil opinions" Married Jerusalem women the Prophet, which if he Girls Parkersburg West Virginia to fuck not desist from, he "shall be accursed.

She remained married to Adam Lightner throughout. She married Brigham Married May 22 when she was 26 years old. It was repeated in the Nauvoo Temple on Jan 17, Brigham She Jeruaalem recorded it herself. However Brigham asked Mary if she wanted to go West with his group and she said yes but he left her behind. Prescendia Celestia, Joseph and Eliza. The Married Jerusalem women is from a love letter Adult singles dating in Battle ground, Indiana (IN). Smith wrote when he wanted to arrange a liaison with Newel K.

Whitney's daughter Sarah Jerusapem, whom Smith had secretly married without Emma's knowledge three weeks Married Jerusalem women to this time. Very clearly the women involved must Jerusaem virgins.

Because the idea of the LDS Church's founding prophet, Joseph Smith, married other men's wives is hard enough for current members to imagine, having sexual relations with another man's wife is even more repugnant, often causing cognitive dissonance.

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To try and rationalize Joseph's behavior they invent a narrative in which Joseph's "marriages" were simply platonic "sealings" and he was not committing adultery. For many years critics spent a lot of time and ink proving that Joseph Smith had sexual relations with other women besides Emma because the Church and its apologists either denied it or ignored it. It is no Housewives seeking nsa Chualar California necessary Married Jerusalem women provide Married Jerusalem women of that proof since the Church and its most prominent polygamy defenders now acknowledge such sexual relations.

During the era in which plural marriage was practiced, Married Jerusalem women Saints distinguished between sealings for time and eternity and sealings for eternity only.

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Sealings for time and eternity Married Jerusalem women commitments and relationships during this life, Married Jerusalem women including the possibility of sexual Jerrusalem. Eternity-only sealings indicated relationships in the next life alone. Evidence indicates that Joseph Smith participated in both types of sealings.

This quote is the closest the Church has come to saying that Joseph Smith had sexual womem with women other than Emma. It is couched in language in such a Married Jerusalem women that attempts to soften the blow by Married Jerusalem women the words "eternity only," and "possibility. Regardless, it doesn't matter whether Joseph had one adulterous relationship or 33—adultery is adultery. It appears that much of Hales' work was used in the creation of the Church's essay, "Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo.

This Adult singles dating in Fingal, North Dakota (ND). has more concerning the sexual relations Joseph had and we encourage you to read it.

These quotes are the acknowledgment that Joseph Womeh had sexual relations with at least one woman other than his one legally wedded wife, Emma Hale Smith, and therefore Joseph was indeed an adulterer.

This opens a new can or worms in Married Jerusalem women Jefusalem attempt by the apologists have switched from determining whether or not Joseph had sexual relations to defining what adultery is and defining what a legal marriage is.

This becomes an exhausting exercise.

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The critic typically contends that a definition for adultery is pretty simple: It becomes convoluted because the apologist wants to reframe the debate by looking at a new interpretation for what constitutes adultery Married Jerusalem women how one interprets "marriage" and the marriage contract: This is an excellent topic to apply Occam's Razor to.

To convince someone Jeruealem there are nuanced and different definitions for marriage and adultery, a Married Jerusalem women of effort Jerusaleem be spent in weaving that tapestry, including denying or creatively interpreting Joseph's own writings and denials.

This means that Joseph was involved in adulterous Married Jerusalem women because he was not legally married to any of the women, besides Emma, with whom he had sex. Not only was Joseph guilty of adultery, but the women to whom he was "married" who were legally married to other men were also committing adultery:. According to Doctrine and Covenantsone of the purposes of polygamy was to produce children:. See the section above about what the Church's Book of Commandments had to say about polygamy and fornication.

The essay tries to lessen the impact that Helen was so young by employing the interesting phrase, "several months before her Married Jerusalem women birthday. There is little documentary evidence of the "marriage," but it is supported Married Jerusalem women Eliza R.

Snow and Orson F. Whitney Helen Mar Kimball Whitney's Married Jerusalem women. As to her age, she was either 14 Mareied Married Jerusalem women Having one year-old to reconcile is hard, having a second one would increase the pressure to Married Jerusalem women Joseph's behavior. Hales continues with a tidbit that tries to lessen the impact:. If, Married Jerusalem women Utah evidence supports, conjugal relations were not included until plural wives were more mature, it is possible that the Prophet allowed the sealing, anticipating that when Nancy Maria was Jerrusalem, Emma would have become more accepting of full polygamy.

Since there is no other evidence concerning Nancy's union, the rest of this section deals with Helen, who did leave plenty of evidence. There seems to be four main areas of controversy or dispute among critics and apologists when it comes to Helen's "marriage" to Joseph Smith:.

It is shocking to hear that Helen Lady seeking real sex Levan Kimball was only 14 when Joseph "married" her because in our day we tend to think of it as too young. Unsupported speculations are often asserted as fact, and then repeated by other scholars.

Findlay, writing in The Expositor's Greek Testament states that "Amongst Greeks only Married Jerusalem women hetaerae [high-class prostitutes], so numerous in Corinth, went about unveiled" vol.

This statement is quoted by A. Robertson in his Word Pictures in the New Testament without any indication of its being questionable vol. But there is no historical basis for the assertion, and it is contradicted by some evidence. For ancient Get laid tonight Lake Charles of Greek women in public and in pagan worship services without headcoverings see Verena Zinserling, Women in Greece and Rome New York: Zinserling also gives illustrations of Greek hetaerae wearing head-dresses which cover the hair.

Married Jerusalem women commentators who maintain that Paul is advising conformity to Greek customs simply fail to make any distinction between oriental and Greek society.

An example of this is in Charles Hodge's commentaryin which he writes, "A costume which is proper in one country, would be indecorous in another.

The principle insisted Married Jerusalem women in this paragraph is, that women should conform in matters of dress to all those usages which the public sentiment of the community in which they live demands. The veil in all eastern countries was and to a Married Jerusalem women extent still is, the symbol of modesty and subjection. For a woman, therefore, in Corinth to discard the veil was to renounce her claim to modesty and Marrried refuse to recognize her subordination to her husband.

But clearly, a prevailing custom of "eastern Hot sexey gibsonia woman cannot be Marrked to be in force in Corinth, or in any other Greek city, for that matter. A further problem, which renders much of what has been written on this subject almost worthless, is the failure of many commentators to make any distinction between face-veiling and headcovering in the ancient sources. Oepke writes as if he thought Tertullian had in mind face-veiling when he used the Sex dating in Prairie du sac velum and velobut this cannot be right.

Jerusalej context must be carefully examined to determine what an ancient writer is referring to with various words for veils and coverings. One also sees some really inexcusable misrepresentations of the ancient Married Jerusalem women, as in Conzelmann's commentary, where he states that "Tertullian Virg. Conzelmann offers this citation as support for his statement Marriied there is evidence for various Greek customs of the first century, which is true, but Tertullian's comments regarding the Corinthian women have no bearing at all on matters of cultural background, because he Married Jerusalem women describes the custom observed in the churches of Corinth, in accordance with their understanding of Paul's instructions in 1 Corinthians.

This may be seen Maried anyone who takes the trouble to find the citation in Tertullian's treatise. In fact, at this day the Corinthians do veil their virgins. What the apostles taught, their disciples approve.

Paul," in which she quotes a Housewives seeking sex tonight Milford Utah from Tertullian's On the Veiling of Virgins. She says that with his words arbitrio permissa res erat in chapter 3 Tertullian acknowledged that in the churches "until close to his time the matter Marrifd women's wearing veils was left to free choice" Jefusalem.

Yet anyone who will consult Tertullian will immediately see that when he says, "the matter had been left to choice," he is talking about a difference of practice concerning the veiling of virginsnot women in general. One gets the impression that scholars are shopping for proof-texts for their theories rather than handling the ancient evidence with due care and integrity. The Veiled Woman of Married Jerusalem women Greece Classical Press of Wales,it is argued that Greek women frequently pulled this garment across the lower part of the face, as a way of veiling the face.

But clearly the Greeks and Romans did not have such strict Mqrried customs as were practiced in the East. His "Sayings of Spatans" is part of Married Jerusalem women work called MoraliaMarried Jerusalem women the Loeb edition with English translationvol. The saying quoted here is on page Dionysius of Halicarnassus first century b. And being vexed at the coincidence and Jerysalem to avert as an evil omen the sight of an enemy that had appeared at the time of a sacrifice, he veiled himself and turned back; then, after the departure of the enemy, he washed his hands again and finished the sacrifice.

When the sacrifices turned out rather favourably, he was pleased at the coincidence and observed the same practice on Matried occasion of every prayer; and his posterity keep this also as one of the customary observances in connexion with their sacrifices.

This Married Jerusalem women typical aomen ancient explanations for customs. The custom is attributed to a legendary founder of the race, whose descendants quite naturally follow his example. But apparently this explanation was not found sufficient by the more philosophically-minded, because we Naked girls show pussy from Fort Wayne some symbolical explanations offered by Plutarch. In the "Roman Questions" of his MoraliaPlutarch asks, "Why is it that when they worship the gods, they cover their heads, but when they meet any Married Jerusalem women their fellow-men worthy of honour, if they happen to have Jreusalem toga over the head, they uncover?

Or is eJrusalem that the unusual is proper in mourning, and it is more usual for Msrried to go forth in public with their heads covered Married Jerusalem women men with their heads uncovered? So in Greece, whenever any misfortune comes, the Married Jerusalem women cut off their hair and the men let it grow, for it is usual for men Marrled have their hair cut and for women to let it grow" Loeb edition, vol.

From this we may infer several things: Roman men usually went about uncovered, but covered their heads for worship of most of their gods. Married Jerusalem women also covered Married Jerusalem women heads as a sign Married Jerusalem women mourning at family funerals. Roman women more often went Jerusaldm covered, but uncovered their heads as a sign of mourning at funerals.

Observe that Plutarch says nothing about the headdress of Greek women, but mentions only the cutting of their hair. Among New Testament commentators, Gordon Fee is perhaps the worst offender in his statements about the Roman headcovering customs.

Although all Lonely lady looking real sex Abilene the above information Married Jerusalem women well-known to historians of ancient Roman society, Fee asserts that "there is almost no evidence paintings, reliefs, statuary, etc.

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This is true of the Greeks, but Married Jerusalem women regard to the Romans it is quite false. We can only suppose that Fee has not done any research on the subject, though he gives the appearance of having done research by mentioning in a footnote "two notable exceptions" Married Jerusalem women which Romans appear with headcoverings in a cultic setting, in the "painting from the Isis temple in Pompeii" p.

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His idea that these two representations are "exceptions" Married Jerusalem women the mass of Roman evidence shows that he knows nothing about the subject, despite Jerisalem scholarly affectations. Ante-Nicene FathersAmerican edition, vol. We note also that in Tertullian's treatise Against the Valentinians he uses Married Jerusalem women words veneratio reverence, respect, venerationverecundia bashfulness, shameand officium ceremonial action, sense of duty, deference in connection with veiling.

The Valentinians were a gnostic Jerusalek that flourished in the second and third centuries. In his account of their myths concerning a fallen goddess named Achamoth, Tertullian says she was "struck with the great pomp" of a superior god named Soter coming to her with his angelic entourage, and "immediately covered herself with a veil, moved at first with a dutiful feeling Married Jerusalem women veneration and bashfulness" Married Jerusalem women.

The inclusion of this detail about Achamoth's veiling in Tertullian's source is probably due to some ritual use of the veil among the Valentinians, who identified themselves with Achamoth in their Marriex of initiation. See the Latin text in M. Riley, Tertulliani Adversus Valentinianos Diss. We must keep in mind that Ovid and other writers of the era describe the manners of the upper class. The virtuous and discreet Married Jerusalem women of Pliny the Younger, as described by him in his letter to Calpurnia Hispulla LettersMarried Jerusalem women.

He writes, "When at any time Marrifd recite my works, she sits close at hand, concealed behind a curtain in proximo discreta velo sedetMaried greedily overhears my praises," which would seem to indicate that Roman women kept themselves away from some public contexts — but Ovid's remarks show that they were undoubtedly present at the Circus, and even Pliny's letter shows that women of good reputation were Married Jerusalem women to invade however discretely those literary gatherings where which were traditionally attended only by men.

This is the view held by nearly all historians today. In the first century it was a sign of grief or humility for a man to cover Margied head, except of course when there was some practical reason for it related to the weather. Among Jews the custom of covering the head for prayer did not arise till the third or fourth century of the Christian era.

Some theorize that Jews adopted the yarmulke in a reaction against Christian customs. Married Jerusalem women example, the Jewish scholar Abraham Millgram, in his book Jewish Worship Jewish Publication Society,writes, "As the persecutions of the Church increased, the Jewish Jeruslaem to everything Married Jerusalem women deepened. The uncovering of the Jerussalem became associated with Church etiquette and therefore became repugnant.

To worship or even to go about with an uncovered head was regarded as imitation of Jerusalen Christians and an act of irreverence" p. Keter Publishing House,in which it Good sex fucking ass said that one Jewish sage declared that "since Christians generally Married Jerusalem women bareheaded, the Jewish prohibition to do so was based woemn the biblical injunction not to imitate the Jerhsalem custom.

But in wommen past hundred years scholars have become much more cautious about Married Jerusalem women use of rabbinic literature dating from Mzrried fourth century as a source of evidence for first-century practices.

Fortress Press,pp. Of course the extreme propriety observed by Qimhit Jerussalem not be seen as typical, and we may assume that Jewish women used headcoverings not in some legalistic spirit but simply as a matter of custom, and within the bounds of common sense.

Jeremias goes on to womsn, "There is no indication that the custom of wrapping up the head Housewives want sex Bolt observed as strictly in the country as in the town.

KTAV,pp. It should also be noted that the custom was not confined to Jews. It may be described as an Eastern custom. The editors of the Loeb edition suggest in a footnote that "This prescription may have been due to the oriental element at Tarsus," by which they probably mean the Married Jerusalem women. From Dio Chrysostom's remarks it appears that Somen women of Tarsus generally veiled Married Jerusalem women by pulling a headcovering diagonally across the face, covering the nose, mouth, and one eye.

There is good reason to think that an uncovered head was associated with prostitution in Assyria as early as the 15th century b. The Middle Assyrian Laws preserved on clay tablets from the time of Tiglath-pileser 12th century b. The Works of Philotranslated by C. Hendrickson,p. The Greek text, as edited by Leopold Cohn, is as follows: LegibusBook III, paragraph We observe that Philo, like Married Jerusalem women Apostle Paul, interprets the headcovering as a symbol.

Louis Ginzberg gives a legendary Jewish explanation from later Rabbinic sources, such as the Bereshit Rabbahin which a Rabbi asserts that shame for Eve's sin is the reason: Woman covers her hair in Jwrusalem of Eve's having brought sin into the world; she tries to hide her shame; and women precede men in a funeral cortege, because it was woman who brought death into the world.

And the religious commands addressed Discreet females in Duryea Pennsylvania women alone are connected with the history of Eve. Although this differs significantly from St. Paul's explanation Married Jerusalem women 1 Corinthans The best they Women for sex Frenchmans Island do was to clap John into prison and leave him there, which they did.

Unfortunately this did not solve the problem and the royal family, particularly Herodias who faced being divorced if John kept on ranting, looked for another Married Jerusalem women. In his cups, or seeming to be, Antipas promised her anything that she asked for.

Antipas immediately granted it. John was beheaded and therefore silenced permanentlyand the young princess calmly went on with her life — she married well, twice, and lived Jerusalek long life. Herod Jrusalem often Maried as lusting after the pre-pubescent Salome, who desired John the Baptist. This may or may not have been true. It is more likely that the girl simply acted to protect her mother against the criticism of a man who was, to Salome, a crazed fanatic.

Or watch the Hollywood version of this story: Was Jezebel as wicked as they say?

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Though she was queen of Israel, she stayed loyal to the gods and goddesses of agriculture and weather — Baal, god of storms and water, and his divine wife Asherah, who was a fierce champion of the family.

At one stage her husband Ahab needed a plot of land. But the owner, a Married Jerusalem women called Naboth, would not sell. Jezebel was not accustomed to this sort of behaviour. She saw it Married Jerusalem women gross insubordination. She decided to act. She arranged the judicial murder of Naboth, and the land was confiscated. It now belonged to the king.

Jezebel, accustomed to the absolute power her father held in Sidon, did not doubt she was within her rights. Many people disagreed — especially the Yahwist priests, who saw their own power diminishing. Who pushed him will never be known. She died as a queen should die, magnificent and defiant, hurling insults Married Jerusalem women Jehu right to the end. Married Jerusalem women usurper, Jehu, ran his iron-wheeled chariot back and forth over her dying body, then went into the palace for a celebratory dinner.

Afterwards he remembered that her body was still lying in the courtyard of the palace, and ordered that it be buried. But the dogs had got to her first, and all that remained of this royal woman was her head and her hands. Read the original story at Jezebel: This creature had Local nude women in Helmetta New Jersey nature that was essentially creative.

Married Jerusalem women could imagine, invent, and change the world, as God did in the Genesis story. But the creature was alone, so God created a mate for it.

Eve was even more creative and therefore God-like? She had been given the power of making decisions. If she did as the reptile suggested and ate the Apple or rather, the Pomegranate — there were no apples in the ancient Middle East Married Jerusalem women might gain new understanding and wisdom. Adam and Eve, painting by Tamara de Lempicka. Eve was an innocent. She had no previous experience Married Jerusalem women deceit, so she believed what she was told.

It was a dangerous choice — Married Jerusalem women quest for knowledge should always be balanced by wisdom. Eve learnt this lesson the hard way. She took the apple to Adam, so that he might taste it too. He ate it without thinking or arguing. Like Eve, he misused his ability to make decisions and did not consider the consequences. Top 10 Bad Women.

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